There is a great gulf between dog and man. We can't understand why they pee on the carpet. They ca...
There is a great gulf between dog and man. We can't understand why they pee on the carpet. They can't understand why we pee in their water bowl.
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It’s a bit like a marriage isn’t it? You and your Bank get together, for better or worse. Sometimes it turns out well and everything’s idyllic. Sometimes you think it’s a cheating thug you’ve got married to, but most times you just bumble along. There are days when you seriously consider divorce; you may even flirt with other Banks, and then there’s the days when the Bank comes up trumps when you’re in a tight corner.
HSBC (it’s known as Honkers and Shankers in the City!) and I go back to the days when it was The Midland Bank. It’ll be thirty five years this year. I don’t like to dash into doing an opinion, you see. I opened an account with them because they were convenient. If they’d been any closer to where I lived I’d have been living in the strongroom. In those days it didn’t really make a lot of difference which Bank you used, they were all pretty much the same, so convenience was all.
Then I went to work for them and I learnt something which applies to every Bank, large or small, online or High Street. They are only as good as the people who work for them. We parted company after two years with little regret on either side although the one thing that they probably did regret at the time was that I left my account with them.
In the intervening thirty odd years I’ve moved through being a rather dodgy account because my basic outgoings exceeded my income, to making ends meet and sometimes even to overlap. Next I had a mortgage with them, repaid that and now they hold numerous accounts for my husband and myself and we also use them for some share dealing services. So, what do I think about them?
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you are someone who is having difficulty in making ends meet, or even spot each other in the distance then no Bank is going to like you and HSBC is no different in this respect. Nor, indeed, should it be. It’s a publicly quoted company and it’s the shareholders who ultimately pay if money proves to be irrecoverable. Quite rightly they’re not keen on this, so HSBC has a firm (some say aggressive) approach to such accounts. I do think that they could be better at communicating with people and helping them to understand their finances, but I wouldn’t recommend them to those who struggle. For one thing their current account pays a derisory rate of interest and you can do far better with some of the online Banks who will at least give you a reasonable return on the money that you have in a current account. I’d be having a look at Cahoot or Zurich at the moment.
Once you lever yourself out of the mire and actually manage to save a little each month you really need to be with a Bank where you can switch funds from a current account to a savings account with little fuss, but the savings accounts provided by HSBC pay a lower rate of interest than you can get on a current account with the online Banks I mentioned. There are other Banks I’d be looking at too – possibly Northern Rock, who currently have savings accounts linked to Base Rate.
So far as mortgages are concerned, they’re worth considering. Their rates are reasonably competitive if not at the top of the league tables. They also calculate interest on a daily basis rather monthly or annually. Over the period of a loan this can provide quite a substantial saving. Whilst they held our mortgage I was a little concerned about the fact that they seemed to see this as an opportunity to market other products and obviously thought that my unwillingness to take up their offers sprang from ignorance or stupidity (“you really ought to speak to one of our financial advisors, Mrs Magee. They’d explain all this to you.”). I became tired of being accosted in the branch and finally took delight in explaining the Bank’s shortcomings to one rather pushy young lady, much to the glee of the crowded banking hall. (“I really ought to be going, Mrs Magee, if I can’t help you with your house contents insurance” “No. Do let me explain to you what happened when you completely messed up my Direct Debits for three months in a row”) I was left alone after that.
The in-branch share dealing service is not the cheapest, but if you hold share certificates (rather than electronic shares which can be sold more easily), and wish to sell or buy on a particular day rather than a few days hence it is difficult to find a conveniently placed broker and the Bank’s charges seem reasonable to me in the light of this. Transactions have always been handled efficiently with funds debited or credited as expected.
All Banks have staff who are not of the best quality, for one reason or another and they regularly end up in the larger branches (generally in the centres of cities and towns). They are diluted, you see, whereas in a smaller branch they would have too great an impact. At one time we had our accounts with a city centre branch and the service given was abysmal. When mistakes are made on our accounts I always insist that the Bank pays me compensation, not least because it helps to ensure that proper care is given to these accounts in the future. At one stage I was receiving so much in compensation and so regularly that it was beginning to look suspiciously like a source of income. Finally I was driven to make a complaint to HSBC’s Head Office. Their response was what I would describe as a chocolate teapot – decorative but less than useful. We moved all the accounts to a small branch in a country town to give the Bank one last chance. We’ve been there for six years now and are happy with the service given.
I’ve not really enthused, have I? No, that’s true. So why do we stay with them? Well, all Banks have good and bad staff and you can be equally or even more unlucky elsewhere. If we were to stay, though, we had to find a way of minimising the possibility of a third party making a mistake with our accounts. We had to be our own Bank staff.
HSBC originally introduced telephone banking as a way to move customers and staff out of expensive High Street branches to call centres which are much cheaper to run. It was no longer possible to pick up a telephone and speak to someone in your local branch – you were redirected to a call centre. This seemed to me a retrograde step as the staff were frequently ill-informed when you got past the inevitable music which accompanied the queuing system. It was also incapable of dealing with requests to do something in the future, such as transferring funds when a cheque had cleared, which still had to be done by someone noting down all the details and then hoping that it got done on the right day. Usually it didn’t. Telephone Banking is still in place (and has improved) but has been supplemented by Internet Banking.
I'll briefly give details of the online service available, which can be found at www.hsbc.co.uk. The site loads speedily, is secure and easy to navigate. There’s an impressive range of functions available, such as viewing transactions for a period of several months, transferring funds either now or on a date up to twelve months in the future, setting up or changing standing orders, stopping cheques and paying bills. All the functions are easy to use and I’ve never encountered any problems. There’s access to online share dealing (for use if you hold shares electronically) and on the four occasions that I’ve used this I’ve found it to be most impressive with charges which are less than the branch-based share dealing services. I use the Internet Banking service on several days each week and I’ve never found it to be unavailable.
So, would I recommend HSBC to a friend? Well, yes I would, provided that they were computer literate and financially secure. Otherwise, I doubt that I would.
I have deliberately avoided giving details of precise charges and interest rates, but tried instead to place them in the context of the market as a whole. Rates and charges can change on a very regular basis, but a Bank’s policy will dictate where it stands in relation to other institutions and this does not change quickly.
Some useful telephone numbers:
To open an account: 0800 130 130
Telephone Banking: 08457 404 404
Mortgage enquiries: 0800 494 999
All lines are open between 8 a.m. and 10 p.m. every day except Christmas Day.
May you stay healthy, wealthy and wise.
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(¯`•¸·´¯) Excellent review, well written. Enjoyed reading. Verna :) (¯`·¸•´¯)
coolaskaha 10.03.2006 20:09
Very detailed! lots of useful information
IndiePrincess 29.04.2005 00:42
Good review :o) I've had an account with them for most of my life - mainly due to my parents - and as I've got old enough to realise what I want from my bank I've found them ok. Their internet banking service is far superior to say Barclays and whilst admittedly their current account pays little or no interest, they actually have some good savings accounts with high interest (provided you have some money to invest!). Try their online saver, the interest rates are pretty decent and you only need to invest a few hundred pounds to begin with