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Mortgages are like party political broadcasts. Tell me about a mortgage and I’ll listen, I’ll even think I’ve understood you, but when I try to tell someone later what was so brilliant about your particular brand it’s gone. It went into my brain I’m sure, but somewhere along the way I lost it, or that’s what it seems like.
It's not that I'm slow, but with variable rates, capped rates, trackers and so on, I trust the building society will listen to my story and find the mortgage that is best for me. That's mistake number one. I should as an adult, be able to make an informed decision, I know this, but crikey this lot is double dutch.
I’ll start at the beginning, because that’s a very good place to start; it’s also plagiarised from a Julie Andrews song so I’ll acknowledge that now. In 1983 we took out our first mortgage with the Leeds Building Society (I know the heading is the Halifax but I’ll come to that). The Leeds had a branch in our village and a nice little man who wanted to help us. We saved the necessary 10% deposit, and he advised the balance would be best served by an endowment mortgage. Now we all know many endowments are now not making enough to pay off mortgages, but so far, touch wood, ours seems to be ok. Having said that I have memories of being told it would pay the mortgage
and give us a nice little lump sum. If it says anywhere in the small print (as I’m sure it does) it may have a shortfall I don’t remember seeing it or being told about it, but there you go.
A few years later the Halifax took over the Leeds Building Society and therefore also took over our mortgage. In 1997 we moved house, taking with us the profit from the sale of the old house to put on the new property. As the Halifax was due to announce giving shares to its customers, it was in our best interest to stay with them and also not to have a break in the mortgage. That way we also qualified for Halifax shares. I think it amounted to something like £1,500, not to be sniffed at. Anyway, by now we were a bit nervous of endowments, but as the one we had was doing ok, (it covered £13.750 of the mortgage and only cost £18 per month) we decided to transfer that to the new mortgage and borrow the balance on a repayment mortgage. We also qualified for £1,500 cash back when the mortgage was finalised and we moved into the new house, again very handy. Deal done and everyone is happy.
In 1999, the Yorkshire Bank offered to give me a mortgage quote and indeed came up with a good quote that reduced our payments. So armed with this information I visited the Halifax and we discussed the options and negotiated a deal. Although we would be penalised for changing mortgages within 5 years of the cash back deal (have I lost you yet? Hang in there), they still offered us a better deal which would reduce our mortgage payments to less than the Yorkshire Bank quote. The mortgage was still to run over the remaining term, i.e. we never started again at 20 years and so the plan was this ~
2008 ~ endowment pays off £13,750 of mortgage, thus reducing the amount owing and reducing the remaining payments. All being well there should still be a little lump some as well. Not as much as predicted in 1983 a few thousand.
2020 ~ mortgage paid up by the remaining repayment. Hubby and me just the right side of 60 and hey ho retirement beckons.
The new deal from the Halifax was a capped rate for 5 years at 5.75%, and this is where the Halifax got sneaky. You see last year they introduced a new variable rate mortgage, a better deal basically. I of course was unaware of this, despite huge newspapers ads,I never saw them. Now this is one of the criticisms from the Halifax, they say it was advertised, but honestly, when I’m reading my paper with my cornflakes in the morning I read the news not the mortgage adverts. Anyway, somebody much brighter than me saw the advert and went to see the Halifax. Now this person was on the same deal as us and asked to change to the new, better, variable rate. Guess what the Halifax said, sorry, no, not even if you pay the penalties. So this person objected and took the case to the Banking Ombudsman. This is where I come in.
I couldn’t miss this juicy news because it was on the TV and everything, so I listened, I became interested, and I did as the Daily Mail advised, I complained. To summarise the outcome, the Ombudsman judged everybody’s case based on a couple of initial examples, and their outcomes affected our cases. Everybody who complained to the Halifax and asked to change rates before a certain date, which was something like Jan 2002 were entitled to compensation. Those who complained after this date, Yes that’s right, muggings here because I didn’t know about it until then got a big fat zero.
Now my argument is ~ the previous year the Halifax had supposedly reviewed our mortgage and informed us we were on the best deal they offered. That was clearly untrue as they had a better rate that they didn’t offer to customers already on the 5.75% capped rate.
Further more, they argue that we should have seen the new rate ourselves and asked to change to it as it was widely advertised, and we should have complained earlier, thus entitling us to compensation. Halifax that is Utter Rubbish and bad customer service. If we had asked to change you wouldn't let us remember, and we shouldn't have to go to the Ombudsman for compensation, you should have treated your customers fairly to start with. We have been with them since they took over The Leeds, and frankly if they value their customers they should offer the deals to everyone. (I did write and tell them this). By now I’ve decided we will march with our feet and change mortgage lenders, after all there are some good ads on TV. Have you seen the couple with the cash back arguing over a snooker table after having built their new extension, all funded by changing mortgages? The problem is we are tied into this deal until 2004.
Finally, and if you’re still here you’re doing well because I’m in ranting mood now, this morning I received a mortgage review letter. The statement summarised our mortgage and said if I phoned a particular number they would review my mortgage and see if they could offer me a better deal. The letter says this should take 10 minutes. Well that was lie number one. The first thing the nice man asked was did I have plenty of time because it may take a while. Well, if it saves me money I’ll make time so we continued. Once he’d done the security checks and examined the mortgage details, he informed me there was no way he could better the mortgage because the penalties of changing at this stage would be £1,500 and he knew he couldn’t save us that amount over the year. Well excuse me, but why didn’t someone work that out before they sent the letter and wasted my time and money on that phone call.
Seriously now, mortgages are complicated things, easy to get into, sound good at the time, but full of small print too. When 2004 comes I will shop around again for the best deal. I know this will probably tie us in again for 5 years but you can make savings this way. Basically I’m just annoyed that the Halifax treated customers the way it did this year by refusing to allow customers to change to the better rate. So Halifax, a big thumbs down from me. You really should value your customers more.
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brilliant review, at the moment i am trying to find out some more information about this kind of staff and i really think that your review is very helpful. thanks . kriss
claireydeacon 07.12.2002 09:09
I have heard alot of problems with Halifax and Mortgages including someone who was refused as the mortgage she wanted was LESS than the market value of the house - Go Figure. The only advice I would give anyone going into the mortgage business is to seek help from an Independant Financial Adviser - I know I would now. Claire
mizzame 29.11.2002 09:51
I'm in mortgage hell at the moemnt too - had a mortgage for 5 years with Bank Of Scotland only to find out this week (after years of me asking) that it will only cover 60% of my mortgage at the end. Furious! So confusing that when i realised that my mortgage was a bit dodgey I asked my financial advisor who assured me i had it wrong when actually I was dead right! Very angry and looking at legal action against these idiots! It looks like my 5 yeras paying a mortgage count for nothing and I may need to start from scratch! Mx
Advantages: very friendly helpful staff, can offer services to the likes of me (!) whereas otherlenders wrote me off as a liability Disadvantages: none really
judithritchie 28.04.2001 ·
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Advantages: very friendly helpful staff, can offer services to the likes of me (!) whereas otherlenders wrote me off as a liability Disadvantages: none really
judithritchie 28.04.2001 ·
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Advantages: That you get all the benefits as well as still earning 6% interest Disadvantages: The monthly fee, though not extortionate compared to similar accounts elsewhere.
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