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Apart from delightful calls from Martin and other people offering me their merchandise, advice and other resources and products, I also got the catalogue from Parks Christmas Savings Club in my post.
***WHAT DO THEY SELL***
They offer hampers of produce, geared towards the Christmas ... Read review
Advantages: none whatsoever unless you become and agent and collude in ripping other people off Disadvantages: they steal your money and call it saving
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You pay Park a weekly amount (you can pay earlier) over a period of 45 weeks. When the amount is paid in full, you get the goods. As simple as that.
You can pay by bank transfer, credit or debit card, postal order, cash using a giro slip – full works.
The orders can be placed over the telephone, by post or using their website www.getparks.co.uk
According to the website: The charge for ... ...your £200. That means that Park get your money to play with in sure, weekly increments and is free to play with it as it pleases (maybe it gives it to Martin from Switzerland to invest in his amazing money markets ventures, who knows?). And you get nothing. Zilch.
Similar result can be achieved by using a piggy bank, only you actually have £200 of cash at the end – not vouchers limiting your spending choices.
I suppose I am a naïve non-native and the sheer extent of big-scale, shiny, glossy rip-off industry in Britain still beggars my belief. I have been on a bit of freebie-ordering, miles and point collecting spree (by the way, if any of you would like a referral to eurmiles I would be simply DELIGHTED to provide one). Amongst the more memorable results of that activity was a phone call from a bloke called Martin, who claimed to phone from Switzerland of all places but spoke with a perfectly Mid-Atlantic accent and a very sexy albeit tad arrogant voice who promised me wonderful investment opportunities (presumably in Switzerland) and was not put off by my declaration of complete destitution and me honestly saying that he is just totally, completely wasting his time; he promised to call again after Christmas and tell me all about how markets worked. Oh dear. Poor Martin. But I am digressing terribly here. In fact, I probably already earned myself several off-topic ratings so I better get down to my subject.
Apart from delightful calls from Martin and other people offering me their merchandise, advice and other resources and products, I also got the catalogue from Parks Christmas Savings Club in my post.
***WHAT DO THEY SELL***
They offer hampers of produce, geared towards the Christmas period needs, composed either of packaged groceries, meat (that is delivered frozen), chilled goods, vegetables, booze, soft drinks and the like. The most expensive ones are £270, the cheapest (sweet selections) stand at £22.50.
The hampers with packaged goods contain the well-known mass-market brands like Heinz, Ambrosia, Jacob’s Princess, Kellogg's etc. The booze ones cover more of a variety, with a ‘Luxury Spirits’ one that contains Remy Martin and Glenfiddich as well as more standard ones with Bacardi and Bells.
On top of the hampers they offer a selection of films, consumer electronics, Christmas lights and decorations and even items of furniture as well as gift vouchers – Debbenhams, M&S, High Street Vouchers, Thomas Cook and others.
***HOW DOES IT WORK***
You pay Park a weekly amount (you can pay earlier) over a period of 45 weeks. When the amount is paid in full, you get the goods. As simple as that.
You can pay by bank transfer, credit or debit card, postal order, cash using a giro slip – full works.
The orders can be placed over the telephone, by post or using their website www.getparks.co.uk
According to the website: The charge for all cancellations made up to and including 1st September 2005 will be 5% of the order value (minimum £20). The charge for all cancellations made after 1st September 2005 will be 10% of the order value (minimum £20). No charge is made for order alterations. However, alterations to orders can only be accepted up to and including 31st October 2005.
However, before you rush there to get your catalogue and order your Christmas shopping, please read the next section.
***WHAT IS THE SNAG***
There has to be one, of course – you know that already – you must have noticed my title and the star rating.
- Let us start with the vouchers.
You can get them in different amounts, one of the largest ones is for example £200 in High Street Vouchers. But it’s possible to order as little as £10 in vouchers. To receive your £200 worth of vouchers you pay £4.44 over 45 weeks. That means you pay £200 for your £200. That means that Park get your money to play with in sure, weekly increments and is free to play with it as it pleases (maybe it gives it to Martin from Switzerland to invest in his amazing money markets ventures, who knows?). And you get nothing. Zilch.
Similar result can be achieved by using a piggy bank, only you actually have £200 of cash at the end – not vouchers limiting your spending choices.
This is not to even mention the fact, that, as a bulk provider of vouchers Park undoubtedly get some form of discount or rebate from the chains and thus actually are very likely to pay less for your £200 worth than the £200. Of this, again, nothing is passed to the customer. Sorry, I am unfair. If you order over £625 worth of vouchers, they add another £10. That is 1.6%. Some current accounts pay more interest than that. Virtually every savings account pays more than that. Supermarket savings stamp schemes pay more than that (in Somerfield you get £3 for each £50 in savings stamps).
Of course, I am aware that there is a psychological benefit to that: the money one puts away like that is less accessible, there is some kind of obligation to pay and thus is more likely to be there at the end of the 45 week period than what you put in a piggy bank. But it’s possible to do standing order to a web-based saving account that has no access from cashpoints (I used to do it with Halifax, and the rates were good), or a normal savings account (send the cash card and the book to your mother for safe keeping so you are not tempted). Or even use those saving stamps from supermarkets! Don’t let these people steal your money, if you don’t care about interest donate it to a charity or something.
- What about the goods, though?
The general principle is the same, you pay first, and in instalments and then you get your stuff. But perhaps they provide good value and savings on the retail prices. I have not had patience or time to check everything, but I did check a few.
Let’s look at a simple lager pack. Park’s ‘Stella Artois’ contains: 10x25cl; 2x660ml; 8x500ml; 8x330ml; a mixture of bottles and cans. I took my comparison prices from Tesco.com website; the size of multipacks offered by Tesco is different and they don’t offer 500 ml cans but 440 ml cans; but using the most similar packaging and making allowances for a bigger size of cans; the cost of the equivalent package from Tesco would be less than £24. How much do the good people at Park charge their customers? Is there a saving in comparison with retail price considering the fact that they get all their money in advance and some of it several moths in advance? Is there a discount for buying in bulk, like buy-two-save something? Sadly but somehow expectedly, no. The price for the Stella package is £36. That is almost exactly 50% MORE than it would cost you to buy it in Tesco, not even mentioning discount stores or the Calais ferry. Sorry, but this is the most blatant rip-off I have ever seen short of the guys playing Three Cards on the Polish second-hand car fairs. This would be exceedingly bad value even with the agent’s discount and even allowing for the convenience of home delivery.
But let’s assume it was a slip. A one off. Let’s have a look at the ‘Branded Spirits’ package that contains 10 bottles of spirits (70 cl apart from port and sherry in 75 cl bottles) – that includes a free gift one (oh, lucky you!!!). The content consists of: Archers Schnapps, Baileys Irish Cream, Bell’s Old Scotch Whisky, Cockburn’s Fine Old Ruby Port, Courvoisier Cognac, Gordons Gin, Harveys Bristol Cream Sherry, Ron Bacardi White Rum, Smirnoff Red Vodka, Captain Morgan Rum. The total cost of the listed spirits and fortified wines from Tesco would be £110.16 (and that is assuming a purchase of two 35 cl bottles of Baileys instead of one 70 cl one; as there was no 70 cl size available on tesco.com). Now, Park charge you a whooping £157.50. Again, almost 50% premium on the standard retail price. Is there a pattern I am detecting?
Fresh fruit and vegetable pack price premium beggars belief. Park charge 29.25 GBP for what can be bought in Tesco for less than a tenner!!!! And that assumes organic onion and potatoes a 1 GBP/kg.
What about presents? A box of Lord of the Rings DVD's (not clear if it's going to be still unreleased extended edition or available now theatre edition) costs 55.50. The still unreleased extended edition will cost 44 GBP on Amazon, the currently available simple one is 19 quid. Another randomly selected item: Groovy Chick airbed with a sleeping bag: 34.99 at Park, 29.99 GBP in your local Argos. Samsara 30 ml EdT - 22.50 GBP from Park; available for 12-15 GBP on line. Little Tikes Police Car - 59.99 GBP from Park, available for less than 50 GBP all over the web, and undoubtedly in shops as well.
As I checked the prices, I have been getting more and more astounded: I expected it to be non-competitive, but didn’t realise how shockingly bad value it was. I decided to face the check on of the grocery hampers – they are large, and the one I picked was the smallest one called ‘Senior Selection’. This consists of the following goods:
Ambrosia Creamed Rice 1x425g Assorted Chocolate Liqueurs 1x150g Australian Gold Pear Quarters in Syrup 1x220g Bakers Delight Sticky Ginger Cake 1x200g Bird’s Instant Custard 1x75g Bird's Whisk & Serve Brandy Sauce 1x74g Cadbury's Golden Creams 1x125g Carnation Evaporated Milk 1x170g Crosse & Blackwell Garden Peas 1x300g Crosse & Blackwell New Potatoes 1x300g Crosse & Blackwell Whole Carrots 1x300g Duerr's Fine Cut Marmalade 1x454g Elkes Malted Milk Biscuits 1x200g Elkes Vanilla Cream Biscuits 1x150g Hartley's Best Strawberry Jam 1x340g Hartley's Prunes in Syrup 1x210g Haywards Pickled Onions 1x270g Haywards Traditional Pickle 1x270g Heinz Baked Beans in Tomato Sauce 1x200g Heinz Cream of Chicken Soup 1x290g Heinz Cream of Tomato Soup 1x300g Heinz Spaghetti in Tomato Sauce 1x200g Holmfield Mince Pies pack of 4 Iced Christmas Cake 1x400g Jacob's Cream Crackers 1x200g Jamesons Chocolate Raisins 1x300g John West Sardines in Tomato Sauce 1x120g Mathew Walker Christmas Pudding 1x100g Nescafe Instant Coffee 1x50g Premier Gold Mandarins in Syrup 1x312g Princes Cheese & Ham & Leek Potato Bake 1x430g Princes Corned Beef 1x200g Princes Pink Salmon 1x105g Princes Salmon Paste 1x75g Princes Tuna Chunks in Brine 1x85g Pringles Salt & Vinegar Crisps 1x50g Simpson’s Chicken & Mushroom Pudding 1x140g Simpson’s Chocolate Sponge Pudding 1x115g Simpson’s Steak & Kidney Pudding 1x140g Simpson’s Syrup Sponge Pudding 1x115g Smash Cheddar & Onion 1x107g Sun Valley Salted Peanuts 1x150g Terrys York Fruits 1x200g Tetley Tea Bags 1x125g Uncle Joe's Mint Balls 1x75g Walkers Luxury Shortbread Fingers 1x250g Ye Olde Oak Round Ham 1x200g
It was rather hard work, trying to check all the prices, as not all of the items listed were available in Tesco.com I used for all my previous food and drink checks. Where a suitable branded substitute existed, I substituted (for example Branston for Haywards pickle). If the package size available was larger (this happened many times - this particular hamper contains a lot of half-size tins), I used the price of the larger item reduced by about 30%. For unbranded items (Assorted Chocolate Liqueurs, Iced Cake) I used Tesco Finest prices (though I somehow doubt that that is what would be provided). I failed to find any resemblance of "Simpson's chicken and mushroom pudding" and charged 65p to that item on the basis of an estimated price for Steak and Kidney one. In case only Tesco own bran items were available I added 50% mark-up. And still, with all these allowances, the cost of buying the listed items in retail would be about 41 GBP while Park charge 45 GBP (starting 45 weeks in advance).
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On top of the above, the customer obviously has no choice over the selection of goods (so one gets Smash and canned carrots regarding of one's attitude to such abominations); and of course included are standard branded goods (apart from more costly items, it seems, which are often no-name); so you pay a premium for the fact that there is no own-brand or cheaper alternatives. But these are all secondary. Park charge prices a company that gives credit might charge (for example an expensive store card at 30% APR), but they deliver the goods only after the balance is paid off.
***BE AN AGENT AND GET YOUR CUT?***
You can also, of course become an agent for Park - recruit enough people to buy stuff from them and you will get commission: 1GBP per year of service, 1 GBP per customer plus a percentage discount depending on what type of article is being bought and the total turnover. This varies between the maximum of 25% that can be achieved on hampers (that includes packaged groceries, and fresh and frozen meat) provided the value of orders is over 2250 GBP; and the minimum of NIL (voucher sales below 675 GBP). Drink packages (the ones I tested were, as you might remember, over 20% above retail price) generate 5% commission. All of the above is, of courses, only achieved if you find several people foolish or desperate to place orders and you feel OK about ripping them off.
Another option would be to have a kind of syndicate and assume that the commission is shared between all 'customers' and not just for the agent. This is the only one that might generate anything resembling reasonable saving; assuming enough people would be found and assuming the orders would be for general grocery hampers and not other goods. However, you would be still left with a big pile of mid-market brands and product selection made by somebody else, while savings would relatively very small. Overall, commission rates on hampers seem reasonably attractive, but considering how very overpriced many of them are (meat, veg) and the level of sales that is required for the maximum, it just seems not worth
***VERDICT***
Have I bought from them? You bet I haven't. Does it entitle me to write a review? I don't know. The experience made me very angry and outraged and thus I did the checks and wrote the piece. Park claim to have 400 000 customers and perhaps they know something I don't know; but I certainly know how to check prices and add them up.... if you feel that lack of personal experience disqualifies this review feel free to rate UH or SH.
My recommendation is, however, to keep as far as possible from Park. It seems to be an organisation set up to prey on people who are less than financially comfortable and thus unable to cover the Christmas expense in one go from their current resources. It works by presenting itself as a scheme devoted to saving and counts on people not checking the value of the goods they provide.
If you are amongst those who cannot afford to bear the financial burden of Christmas in one month (I can't!) while not wanting to get credit and be lumbered with interest (I don't!), use other means of regular saving (even those supermarket stamps!) or even a piggy bank - at least you will have a freedom of choosing either cheaper, own brand products OR going for luxury or ethical/organic versions. The other option is to have a frugal(er) Christmas, of course; but I am not sure how well this idea would go down in my own household.... or many others.
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This review is dedicated to jillmurphy as I hope she would like my painstaking work gathering evidence about consumer rip-offs!
Advantages: Means you can pay for everything over the year and get everything you need for christmas! Disadvantages: Expensive, a big risk if the company goes under!! Not for me but perfect for some people!
Park Christmas Savings is an online site where you can go and buy all your Christmas shopping, including gifts, food, drink and also High Street Gift vouchers which can be spent in a large amount of shops. The unique thing about Park is that you can pay for your items over the year before Christmas, no credit is given to you, so no credit checks take place, and you don't have any debts after Christmas. This works by paying weekly or monthly from ... ...nearer to Christmas. Park is great in that you don't have to get caught up in expensive debts after Christmas as everything is paid for beforehand, so you can do all your Christmas shopping in January for the following December! If by the time you get to the end of the payment plan and you haven't paid up, and cannot afford to pay up, you can choose a lower priced item so you are not losing out as such, just not getting the same size hamper etc. ...
stephbond89 21.11.2009
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Advantages: Avoid Christmas bills, Spread the cost. Disadvantages: Costs you more, Selling tactics, lack of stability.
...he wished he'd saved through Park and could now sit back and expect his Christmas goodies. Put simply, I think the advert with the little fairy gets a lot of people thinking that. This review is not intended to offend anyone, it is simply my opinion. I am aware that some of my reviews lately have bordered on the controversial but this is after all an opinion site. I have mixed feelings about this type of business. I know without it, there would be ... ...(It should be noted that Park have donated money to help the Farepak customers) Also, the sense of 'saving' is misleading, with complicated selling schemes appearing as part of the drive to increase customer base.
I know people who follow these schemes religiously and I've gone through a few phases on this. When I was a kid I thought it was a great idea, 50p a week and all this stuff at the end of it. Seemed like magic. As an idealistic teenager ...
Malibu_jenny 08.12.2006
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Advantages: You get to manage your money and probably less likely to spend it Disadvantages: small choice of places and higher cost of items in comparison
I have no experience with this, but I am concerned that my girlfriend is thinking of joining Park. I have herd of farepak and how much was lost and the customers had a very sour Christmas.
I think these people prey on the vulnerable and needy in society. More and more people have to make out that they have more than they really do. When I was a kid I had a decent present and some smaller ones. My family taught me the value of money. They taught ... ...did not expect all the name brand stuff and I didn't care. Despite all this my parents were still struggling.
My Nan always said if it looks too good to be true it most probably is. She was right. What do these people gain out of it??? Its a business. Its about making money out of peoples dreams. It is hardly a charity.
As I write this review my girlfriend is upset and thinks I am being a no it all person. But I have always managed my money on ...
Chemer 22.12.2008
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