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You can either buy a set-top box that also contains a hard disk drive and two tuners, (aka Personal Video Recorder or PVR), or buy a machine like the Sony RDR-HXD870 which can not only receive Freeview, but record to a hard drive, and thence to a built-in DVD recorder if the need to archive ... Read review
Advantages: Goes way beyond just being a TV recorder Disadvantages: You have to read through 172 pages to find out to what extent!
...buy a machine like the Sony RDR-HXD870 which can not only receive Freeview, but record to a hard drive, and thence to a built-in DVD recorder if the need to archive anything should crop up. This also means that it doubles as a DVD and CD player.
So a 'no-brainer' contest there, you might think - the Sony wins hands down as it does everything I could currently wish for.
Well yes and no really.
Yes, it's ... ...a two-horse race between the Sony and the equivalent Panasonic, also an excellent machine. However, the Panasonic required to be fully powered up to watch any set-top boxes or PVRs that might be 'plugged through' it to the TV, whereas the Sony only required being on stand-by. As I'll be doing a lot of this, the Sony emerged as the overall winner. A further feather in the Sony's cap, through being a newer model and therefore closer to the latest Freeview ... more
Like it or not, Freeview TV is coming - that's the over-the-air digital TV that bit by bit will see off analogue TV, and in fact the process has started, with the whole country slated to be 'cut over' by 2012.
Just being able to watch it, assuming you can (I'm conveniently forgetting any aerial upgrades that may be needed), merely requires either a set-top box or a TV with the digital tuner built in.
Try recording it though and your options get slimmer.
You can either buy a set-top box that also contains a hard disk drive and two tuners, (aka Personal Video Recorder or PVR), or buy a machine like the Sony RDR-HXD870 which can not only receive Freeview, but record to a hard drive, and thence to a built-in DVD recorder if the need to archive anything should crop up. This also means that it doubles as a DVD and CD player.
So a 'no-brainer' contest there, you might think - the Sony wins hands down as it does everything I could currently wish for.
Well yes and no really.
Yes, it's got some means to make permanent DVDs of TV programmes, so, unlike a PVR, you won't have to delete recordings for ever once the hard disk is full, but NO, it won't let you record one channel and watch another since it only has one digital tuner.
Sony's own advertising tells of 'dual tuners' which struck me as an odd phrase when PVR makers usually boast of 'twin tuners'. There's a reason for this ambivalence - it has ONE digital and ONE analogue tuner, the latter of which will have the same purpose in life as a chocolate tea-pot come 2012.
Unfortunately, it seems on reading the reviews on Amazon.co.uk that not many people realised this, using such phrases as 'unfit for purpose' or 'they lied'.
Incidentally, those that DID know what they were buying are largely pleased with it, as am I.
To save you the trouble, you will NOT find any Freeview twin-tuner boxes WITH a DVD recorder built in, but it seems to me that like any other nascent technology, the makers are loath to put it all out there on the market at first attempt, for fear of making a really good one with nothing to upgrade to.
Me, I'm not too worried. After all, I've not only already got an integrated digital TV, but also a Topfield 5800 twin-tuner PVR, which should be enough tuners for any techno-glutton, but the means to archive programmes simply to DVD still eludes me. Even with a twin tuner PVR under my belt, I still find recording clashes since I've found it's always prudent to 'pad out' a recording by three minutes at the end. This then leads to what were merely going to be back-to-back recordings to start using two tuners as for 3 minutes, they are running in parallel. The fun starts when you don't want to watch either of what's being recorded.
Anyway, enough of the Bnibbles "pre-ramble".
WHY THIS ONE?
This was always going to be a two-horse race between the Sony and the equivalent Panasonic, also an excellent machine. However, the Panasonic required to be fully powered up to watch any set-top boxes or PVRs that might be 'plugged through' it to the TV, whereas the Sony only required being on stand-by. As I'll be doing a lot of this, the Sony emerged as the overall winner. A further feather in the Sony's cap, through being a newer model and therefore closer to the latest Freeview parameters, is that the timer can be set to monitor a series of episodes and cancel the reservation once they finish. Good job I downloaded both manuals as PDF files, otherwise, I could have been caught out on the toss of a coin.
Both machines are only a tad over £200 if you shop around, and with more or less the same features all bar the last two. It also helped that my DVD player is now on the blink, and I'd just received an unexpected windfall in the form of a small inheritance.
Combine this with the fact that I haven't bought a decent gadget for months, and the fate of £209 including free delivery from Amazon.co.uk was sealed!
OUT OF THE BOX - IT'S SPAGHETTI TIME!
Setting up is much like you would for a VCR (only "on STERoids" as Clarkson would have it).
Your aerial cable should be diverted here first and extended on to the TV. If you think you'll ever have a use for the analogue tuner between here and 2012, you can also 'daisy-chain' this into the process with more short aerial cables.
Outputs are a slightly more dazzling array than the humble VCR could ever boast. You've got a coaxial digital link to feed a home cinema decoder, so that 5-channel sound can be heard when playing a shop-bought DVD - it works for TV recordings and audio CDs too but only in stereo. This was a nuisance, because I had to go out and buy a coaxial lead, its predecessor having been a fibre-optic one.
As well as the now-familiar SCART* leads, you have separate S-Video connections and three individual phono sockets feeding 'Red-Green-Blue' to any monitor capable of 'component input'. Basically, you pick the best that your TV can stand and use that.
*(Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs - so now you know)
Notably, this box has sprouted something else - an HDMI output, this being the 'latest thing' feeding a digital sound and vision signal straight to any TV willing to talk to it, the idea being that this enhances picture quality by cutting down on losses in analogue conversion. The Sony also does something called 'up-scaling' to partly take advantage of so-called 'HD-Ready' TVs, although you can't make an HD picture out of something that isn't HD already. However, there is a visible improvement I'm told. A new HD TV isn't a step I've taken (yet) but when I do, I'll make sure that it can resolve 1080 lines with progressive scan, whatever that is. All I know at present is that 1080p is better than 1080i, and the Sony talks to the former. Note: Even when (or if) Freeview gets real Hi-Definition transmissions, this box will NOT be ready for them
GETTING TO GRIPS - The Bad News
Wait for it - the instruction manual has 172 (!) A5 pages, all in English, before anyone asks.
GETTING TO GRIPS - The Good News
Fortunately, getting started doesn't require a working knowledge of the whole tome - just the bits on how to connect it, tune it and set up TV recordings. You can always grow into the other bits, like finding out how you play them back, or copying and editing camcorder tapes later.
To a certain extent, the size of the book reflects the sheer amount of everything that you can do with this machine - not only is it also a DVD movie and CD-Audio player, but it can also be used as a juke box for up to 99 albums-worth of CDs, and can store jpegs for later use as slide shows. It can handle DivX format movie files through its front USB port or on disk, and can 'suck' pictures straight from a USB-compatible digital camera.
Of course, if you start on these mini-projects in earnest you'll wish you'd bought a version with a bigger hard drive than the 160 gigabytes supplied in this one. There are 4 machines in this series, all basically the same except for disk size, the 770, 870 (mine), 970 an 1070. The B or S suffix merely tells you whether it's a black or silver one. As for myself, this isn't my only hard-disk recorder so I was more swayed by price.
Setting up was easy - almost 'plug and play' really. All I had to do was confirm which country I was in and then let it loose finding digital channels. You CAN also get it to find analogue channels but unless it's to let you get both S4C AND Channel 4, I can't really see much point, unless you've bought it now in a region where Freeview can't be supplied until the analogue switch-off - at least you can record and make DVDs of analogue programmes in the mean time.
From my location, 15 miles from Crystal Palace, my digital reception is excellent and the picture from the digital tuner is vice free even in bad weather and with jumbo jets flying through my line of sight with the mast. If you have a problem, the setup menu lets you monitor signal strength and quality.
The set-up menu is, how can I put it, a trifle 'busy', especially if like me, you're routing something else through it and onwards to the TV, but it all comes right in the end. I've now got both the SCART-IN and SCART-OUT sockets set to RedGreenBlue to make maximum advantage of not only my PVR, but also this machine and the TV.
SETTING UP A RECORDING
Easy - press Guide, and up comes the electronic programme guide (EPG). Pick the programmes by scrolling down and across the listings. Each one that's selected takes you through to another screen where you can either just press OK again or make adjustments. The only one I'd bother with is to check the 'Series Link' box if it's available, thereby ensuring that any further episodes are catered for. Unlike the 'Every Week' option in previous PVRs and set top boxes, this one cancels itself once the series ends. This is a new feature to Freeview although not to Sky and it narrows the gap between terrestrial PVRs and the Sky+ box. You can also set the machine to 'EPG Link' which ensures that the latest timings are used shortly before the next recording. Hopefully this should see off all those recordings which you have to fast-forward through, until about twenty minutes in you hear those dreaded words words "...........and now, later than advertised......" at which point you know it's fruitless to continue, since the dénouement you've been waiting for won't have been recorded.
Recording quality is user-selectable although the default of 'SP' - standard play, yielding 70 hours of recording seems fine. I've also set the machine to lessen the quality automatically as the disk fills, which in past experience it won't.
I've tested some of the other levels, even down to super-duper-extended-play, which gives a trillion hours of recording, and to be fair, the sharpness isn't bad, but motion is very stilted, like some digital still cameras switched to 'movie', shooting at 15 frames/second.
PLAYBACK
Even easier - press the Title List button and you're presented with a list of either the last four or last eight recordings, which be scrolled down further. The four-title option is great since it shows four thumbnail movie screens, one for each programme, and plays short snatches of them from strategic points in the programme to help you confirm your selection. Like most things 'digital', the playback is indistinguishable from the original; well at standard record quality it is. Some of the more 'economic' quality settings start to get a bit grainy. I'd say that if you've any inkling to archive programmes to DVD you shouldn't venture below standard quality. In any case, you've still got 70 hours of capacity before you have to start getting rids of titles.
OTHER STUFF WOT I DUN
Since my other PVR routes through this box, I can also copy over recordings from the former's hard drive to the latter's. "Why?" I hear you ask. So I can edit out the adverts and other undesirables, and then commit it (and maybe several other episodes) to DVD, that's why.
I've plugged my digital camera in and copied over 286 jpeg files, and then run a slide show. There doesn't seem any way to rotate certain photos through 90 degrees, so make sure they are all landscapes!
I've created a back up of certain recorded programmes onto a DVD-R, the end result having equal quality to the original.
I've played and copied a CD to hard drive. Annoyingly, this does NOT 'rip' the files into mp3 format, so an 80 minute CD can use about 1/200th of my disk space just for the privilege of laying my hands on its tracks quickly. You can of course download whole CD-ROMs of mp3 files, and at least this way, the track names aid navigation unlike 'track 1 of disk 1' as you'd get with a real copy of a CD.
Having now got the correct 'i-Link' lead, I can copy camcorder tapes from my MiniDV machine to the Sony, the purpose being that it can now edit out all the bits where you accidentally filmed your feet or whatever, and then make a DVD of what's left!
FLEXIBILITY
This machine accepts all manner of recorded video media, including the popular DivX format.
The recording media list has now been tweaked to accept 'dual layer' DVD+ and DVD-R disks, and their rewritable equivalents.
Even the rare DVD-RAM can be played back but not recorded.
Those in possession of some other decoder box can use a different EPG called Guide+ to programme the other box's recordings to the Sony's hard drive. They give you an infra-red adapter which you place strategically over the decoder's front panel, so that starting it, selecting its channel and stopping it can be done by the Sony coinciding with its setting its own hard drive to record from the SCART lead (i.e what's on the decoder).
It's at times like this you realise why it needs a 172-page manual!
As with most other hard-drive solutions for Freeview, you can 'Pause Live TV'. You can also watch a previous recording whilst recording something else - you just can't watch something else live, that's all.
LIMITATIONS & OTHER FRUSTRATIONS
Most notably there's that 'single tuner' thing. Under no circumstances should anyone with only an analogue TV regard this as their introduction to Freeview, without perhaps buying another (cheap) set top box too.
Despite the HDMI output, it's not HD and never will be. There are faint whisperings that this MAY be on its way via Freeview, but if you waited for what's just round the corner every time, you'd still be listening to London 2LO through a crystal set.
Out of the box, it's a Region 2 DVD player only, but for another 20 smackers you can buy one that's 'multi-region' although this is not supported by Sony and any warranty claims you may have would depend on your retailer not going out of business. Alternatively, you can use a programmable remote control (e.g one of the One-For-All brand) to transmit a stream of data to it which does the same thing, which is what I've done at zero cost to myself since I had a redundant 'One-For-All' lying around. If you're interested, ask me how!
If you've a poor Freeview reception, don't expect this to cure it - sort your aerial out first before committing to spending 200 smackers.
It's a trifle noisier than I'm used to - maybe not as much as a desk-top PC but comparisons to my Topfield PVR show it up a bit. It's not helped by the fact that hard drive noise is added to by that of a cooling fan.
It has no slot for a subscription card, so TopUpTV et al can go whistle. Maybe this should be filed under 'Advantages'.
172 pages of instructions - need I say more?
BRIEF SUMMARY OF SPECIFICATION
1 Freeview tuner, one analogue tuner
160 gigabyte hard drive (approx 70 hours at Standard, but up to 455 hours are possible if you don't mind looking at grainy pictures!).
DVD Recorder/Region 2 Player, accepts DVD- and +R disks including dual layered.
Front panel has connections for USB devices (Jpeg files on a stick, mp3 players), iLink camcorders, and Pictbridge printers. A third AV (line 3) connection can be used for analogue connections (from a non-iLink camcorder or VCR maybe).
Rear connections include a SCART-IN, a SCART-OUT, S-Video socket, stereo phono plugs, an HDMI socket, two aerial-in and two aerial-out sockets, separate red green and blue phono sockets for progressive scan TV output and a coaxial digital output for both Dolby Digital and DTS sound.
CONCLUSION
For something that's also going to replace my errant DVD player, what it does sounds good value at £200 (Tescos are asking £249, phnaaaah, phnaaah!)
I can at last make DVDs of not only TV programmes that are worth keeping, but I can dust off my camcorder and edit those bloody MiniDV tapes to DVDs finally!
Who knows, I may start taking it on holiday again? Oh nooooo!!!!
p.s I've given this an excellent rating, but only because I knew the limitations in advance.
Advantages: Large hard drive, music jukebox, price. Disadvantages: Size of instruction manual.
...Gig hard drive to this Sony RDR-HXD870B with a 160 Gig drive. The fact that i paid nearly £150 more 3 years ago for my older 80 Gig recorder only goes to show how much prices have fallen and now is the best time to purchase these products.
Pricing and warranties.
I paid £220 from empire direct who also give you the option during purchase to upgrade to a 3 year warranty for an extra £20. You need to sign up to become an edxtra member at a cost of ... ...it comes to recordings the Sony is first class. With HQ level recordings the highest quality the picture is utterly pristine and even the lower quality settings are acceptable, although I would not advise setting the recording level lower than LSP. I have my level set at SP from which you will get 68 hours of very good quality recording time. Dvd playback is where this recorder really shines, with full upscaling all the way to the heights of 1080p. ...
eddierog 29.12.2007
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Ciao members have rated this review on average: very helpful Review of Sony RDR-HXD 870
Advantages: Built in HDD, Plays Alomost All media, Built in Freeview Disadvantages: none that i can think of
I have always wanted someway to keep all my media and films together and playable from the main TV in my house, and when I saw this I knew that this was the solution to my problem I can now get rid of all those old VHS tapes and have all my favourite content in one place and be playable from my home theatre. And I can also record all the programmes I like to watch off the TV so I never miss any of my favourite programmes again, this recorder has ... ...I can set this up to record a whole series of the programme I want to record so that I don’t have to watch it once a week, I can save them until the end and watch them over a couple of days so I don’t have to try and remember what happened over a week ago (which is good for me because I have a horrible memory).
Also this player reads almost all the media types I can think of and will read almost any disk there is, so I can play all the content I ...
pfishers 13.08.2007
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Advantages: twin tuners hdmi upscaling Disadvantages: even bigger hard drive would be good
I have changed to this unit from a Samsung machine, the advantage is this has an analogue and digital freeview tuner, it also has the facility to pause live TV and record to the Hard Drive, or the DVD discs.
this also has the ability to record to more formats. this feature is particularly useful, allowing you the opportunity to buy discounted blank discs of more types. i had the firmware updated and its great, also it has a digital co axial cable ... ...standard dvds at near to hd quality. it works too. the remote also allows you to operate your tv if it is compatible. i have a Toshiba hd tv and this remote can operate channel change and volume. very good item that i would recommend allows me to archive all my sky+ programmes.great ...
silverspooninmouth 20.02.2008
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Advantages: Easy to use with long record time on the HDD Disadvantages: none
What a piece of kit this is, it is so simple to use and set up. It had lots of really good features and a long recording time on the hard disk. There are lots of different settings for recording quality and time but when you get down to the low end then the recording time might be high but the quality of the picture is not really watchable. We have it set so that there is approximately 250 hours worth of record time and this gives a picture quality ... ...is the USB input so you can use it and your TV like a very large digital photo frame, the only downside is I have not been able to download onto the USB which would be useful as some USB sticks are large enough to take a small movie.
The DVD player and recorder both work well and so far we have had no problems with it and would recommend to anyone looking for a HDD and DVD setup. ...
skleen 27.06.2008
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Advantages: Picture quality, series recording, connectivity, editing features Disadvantages: Software issues, Freeview EPG takes time to populate
Sony RDR-HXD870S
We've used the Sony since summer '07 as our sole Freeview box and as a way of archiving TV series and films recorded via our Sky+ system. The only difference between the 870S and the 870B illustrated above is colour - the 870S is silver (to match the rest of our AV kit).
I'll start with the bad points, of which the Sony has 2 major ones:
1. The Freeview Guide can take a very long time to populate. If you are used the the Sky guide, ... ...and a link to the Sony data file you will need. The proceedure is not tricky, and took me 30 minutes total, including searching the 'net for the solution.
The good points:
1. Fantastic picture quality. This is the best of any non-satellite broadcasting I have seen, and streets ahead of previous cheap Freeview boxes. The 870 will also upscale to 1080p output via the HDMI socket, which is very useful if you have an HD screen without the expensive ...
SvenP 04.02.2008
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The Sony RDR-HXD870B is a DVD Recorder / Hard Disk Drive with Integrated Dual Digital and Analog Tuner, and series link recording function. Its Integrated Dual Digital and Analog Tuner delivers the latest TV channels in digital clarity.
